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Whatsamatta with bards, anyway?

While I understood the problem with rangers fairly easily (though I am of the camp that thinks Monte's version was a little too "over the top"), I was wondering what the problem with Bards could...

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It's not bofo, you blasphemer! It's bufu, his twin brother!Die, servant of bofo!Geriatric Jerry is all of Creation, all of Creation, Creation, Boo

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Bards are interesting to multi-class with, or go off into a PrC, such as Duelist, Bladesinger or Dragon Disciple.Cleric / Bard multiclass characters are extremely interesting, particularly if they go...

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Heh, I've always had problems with bards and refuse to allow them in my games (as I did with psions for the longest time). It's probably just a hangover from my 2e days when EVERY single bard I ever...

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RippedOFF, are you sure that it's fair to your players to penalize them for your bad experiences?I've just started playing a bard in an EZBoard game and it's fun in the short time we've been going....

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varianor: I don't take the "no bards" rule very seriously. It's more a joke in my games then anything else. I still do try and impose penalties on bards and monks, which seem to be overpowered classes...

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Well then, thanks for explaining. Say, explain "too powerful" please?

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OK, First let's analyze a bard's saves. To say the least, they have nice saves. In fact, I consider them to be the second best saves, short of the monk alone. Then consider their "inspire courage"...

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Bards are my favourite class. They always have been. The strongest and most useful ability they have isn't their songs, or anything else; it's their knowledge. No other class gets that ability, and it...

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I have had several bards in my games, and I can definitely say that they did not outshine the rest of the party. They meshed quite well, and to continue your comparison of the bard to the cleric,...

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I personally don't play bards as i have a hard time roleplaying them well, for one I can't actually sing/ I think as a class they suffer a bit from being to generalised but as someone said they make a...

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Maybe you should make a more martial monk core class. The monk as represented in the core rules gains a lot of non-martial abilities, so presumably a fair portion of his time is spent meditating on,...

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I have a similar problem with the monk class in that it seems underpowered for fighting when it is a fighting class but my problem focusses more around the attack bonus being too low (10 lower than a...

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My housemate and fellow gamer and I were discussing this very concept last night.First off, the monk's attack bonus is only 5 less than the fighter at 20th level.My own thought is that I may design...

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How would you rule the concept of a monk fighting with enchanted metal knuckles (or ward cestus from S&F) or similar? Would you give them their unarmed damage or the listed damage?

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Strictly by the RAW, he's armed and would use the listed damage.I don't see a major problem with houseruling otherwise, or perhaps with inventing a new Wondrous Item, "Bob's Empowering Bracers" or...

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Bards are underpriveleged--both versions. I'll be presenting my math when it reads (well).-The Hag

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Okay, on the subject of bards, let's see what are your thoughts on this.I love the core bard class, and I really liked Monte's bard (would get BoEMII for that alone). However, I am developing a new...

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I see what you say HalWhitewyrm but I persoanlly think that the bard should be more focussed on the knowlege aspect of the class as at the moment there is nothing that the bard is actually good at....

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The knowledge aspect of the class is one I enjoy very much, so I agree. I am not trying to keep the bard as the fifth wheel, but rather give the class a knowledge/artist focus with some of the...

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